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Improving the global ranking calculation

i see two ways to improve the global ranking calculation:

1.vary the maximum number of points for the levels depending on the number of players on this level. this would remove the need for limiting the maximum level rank to #99. but it would make some levels more important than others, which is what i would like to avoid.

2.gradually decrease the influence of the level rank. eg. each level rank position for #1-#50 counts as 1 pt, but #50-#100 gives only 0,5 pt per rank, #100-#150 is 0,25 per rank and so on. effectively, even with a huge number of players on certain levels we can ensure that each level influence can be limited to 100 pts and there is still a difference between #600 and #601 (in this case it would be 0,0002441406). i like this idea, but it is not very intuitive like the current "1 pt for each rank".

what do you think?


Vega
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189,646 played
12,389 completed

mike flips
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If you do that Henoch, it will work fine. As long as u change the name. But the games might end up in the "unauthorized games section" at first.

I have a crapload of games but i cant check at the moment.

As for voting.... i feel like we are in Florida now... !!!
YOu guys forgot my option on the ballot Now we need a revote!!! what kinda democracy is this

Hmmm we can do 1=30,2=26,3=21,4=15,5=14,6=13, and so on until rank 15

no ones rank will change at all kris, this will mainly just jumble the top 3, and give a few more people like you and smalls, etc... a little boost towards the person above you.
Ibanez
Mike - sorry your option was missed, however just add your proposal to the voting thread as Option #8 - anyone should be free to amend their vote before the end date. Kris may like to add Option #9 = No Change...
Vega
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Henoch is right?. BoD is just a game indeed. So my cheerios will be just as crispy tomorrow morning even if we never implemented this bonus thing bcuz this isn't real life. But one of the coolest things about this game is that the records keeping is permanent, so I think BoD will be around for a long time because it?s unique. I know we are moving forward in a positive way here?.but I would like to give one last piece of info if that?s ok. I want to clarify with everyone that I am only trying to help. I have no hidden agenda or maniacal scheme here. I really tried to consider how this type of change with affect the rankings mathematically (and I manage the reconciliation of hedge fund accounts for an international investment firm so I understand math/equations very well) The reason I give all these examples is simply to support my theory so that you all don?t think I am suggesting some random idea for the ranking system. I wouldn?t be foolish enough to think so short term and make all of this effort to change the ranking of BoD for my personal benefit and effect everyone else. That type of mentality can be expected of some people in this world, but for me to do that would require me to lack character, which I don?t. I could have cheated in this game a long time ago if I wanted to . Because of my playing style, these points won?t do much good for me for quite some time I suppose. I will likely never be overall TTC in BoD bcuz every time I try to play a new level, I have a really hard time feeling satisfied with my final time if it?s not my best. (same reason why it?s taken me 2 months to create 4 levels )

For retired players, I promise to the ends of the earth and back that a bonus points system is not in any way unfair to inactive players that once held many golds like the greats of yesterday (PrayeR, Rachman, Oliver, etc???). The reason is simple If we had implemented this change 2 years ago, their ranking today would be identical to what it will be once we implement it now. The only changing factor is perhaps they would have played with a different strategy, but it?s hardly something that can be considered unfair to inactive players because the ranking system has been changed several times anyway. The Golden club is permanent. But the bonus points are temporary. So these points would have effected their ranks when they held those golds, but since they lost the golds now, they would have lost the points then anyway. This is important t understand because there?s really nothing we can do to the ranking system to be unfair to retired players. Their best times don?t change if we implement BP. This goes back to my example of if a new person equaled every time of Rachman. He would immediately be ranked identically to Rachman temporarily, but would not match rachman in gold club points and popularity in BoD. And like I said, any of them are welcome to return and reclaim a high ranking. That would be a lot of fun to see Rachman return like MATA has, wouldn?t it? Thanks for listening everyone. Hopefully you still think I?m ok. If you don?t like me anymore, perhaps I will regain respect over time

-Vega
mike flips
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I dont like you anymore but perhaps if you cook me another meal...
Vega
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Ok Mike. How bout fried spam with grits & lard and Koolaid to wash it down
mike flips
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...i still dont like you
Vega
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mike flips
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YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE SAD YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO COOK BETTER!!!
Vega
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How bout I cook up a few more medals in standard and eat them myself!!
mike flips
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Then what would be left for me to eat??? Then id have to eat some of your tastier medals to satisfy my hunger. If i were you, id make me a nice meal quick cuz im hungry
mike flips
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and i cant cook like you
Kristopher
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-> The ranking system has been changed several times anyway.

IIRC, it has only been changed once, except the time when Bottle was removed.

One thing that has been overlooked is the effect on individual levelpacks. A bonus of 20,10,5 would put Smalls above DK in the Standard Levels, and puts Cirenco above Oliver!!!

Gold - 20
Silver - 10
Bronze - 5

Standard Levels:
mike flips 2494
Cirenco 2454
Oliver 2438
Smalls 2406
DavidKing 2402
jasonJerome 2349

mike flips
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Even though this whole thing is supposed to remain anonymous, and have no individuals looked at, i cant help but admit this doesnt seem right. Passing Oliver in standard levels was one of my best and most difficult accomplishments and even though he doesnt have many medals right now, its hard to rationalize him being pushed down to rank 4 even if he isnt active.

Thats y i voted for 11, and 4, they are both mild yet still give a decent amount of bonus points
PMD
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While that may be true for any one level pack, the bonus points are basically a non factor in the overall Time Trial Championship.

Anytime any player decides to sit out one level pack (as is the case when someone quits), they almost immediately miss out on 1500 potential points and almost 1300 certain points if they just completed the levels. That is like having 65 Golds Medals worth of bonus points (assuming 20 points per gold)--which is an absurd number. I think the individual packs is really the only area where the points become a factor all that much.

If you want to pass Vin at #19 in TTC, all you have to do is complete the levels. He sat out the past 2 level packs and has missed out on probably 2900 points. Which would have him sitting at about 6. Those levels are much more of a factor than any bonus points.
Vega
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PMD is exactly right New levels are what kills retired players' ranks because their is no dynamic percentage factor included in the rank equation. There was previously, but when the ranking system changed, the percentage factor and the 'points per level completed' was ditched in favor of a flat 100 point rate per level with an ever increasing or infinity total point pot! That is the major (like more than 95%) dimishing factor for retired players The second dimishing factor is new players like Mike and Cirenco that come along and somehow smash almosy every record known to man in like 11 days
mike flips
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Personally i like to dimish a lot. You know, after i play some BoD i go out and dimish a bit. Then i dimish a bit more before i go to sleep.

The ranking change to 100 hasnt changed anything really, it just allowed people who get ties to get the points they deserve.
bones
i can cook. it' s actually the career i'm pursuing. how about a new york strip steak with a buttery lobster tail and four pieces of jumbo shrimp. plus a big bowl of homeade cole slaw
mike flips
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works for me
bones
if only i could cook a gold. i've given up jade for a while cause it can only take so long before you punt your palm. instead i'm trying to get top tens and pass volcano.7.5 away it is one huge pain.
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