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Sz

Improving the global ranking calculation

i see two ways to improve the global ranking calculation:

1.vary the maximum number of points for the levels depending on the number of players on this level. this would remove the need for limiting the maximum level rank to #99. but it would make some levels more important than others, which is what i would like to avoid.

2.gradually decrease the influence of the level rank. eg. each level rank position for #1-#50 counts as 1 pt, but #50-#100 gives only 0,5 pt per rank, #100-#150 is 0,25 per rank and so on. effectively, even with a huge number of players on certain levels we can ensure that each level influence can be limited to 100 pts and there is still a difference between #600 and #601 (in this case it would be 0,0002441406). i like this idea, but it is not very intuitive like the current "1 pt for each rank".

what do you think?


bones
no, every average player has a couple exceptional scores(i would know) so 1-15 would recognize those scores. it would also keep most ttc groups of rank together for now(in other words no significte change)
Kristopher
91118
Smalls lost about 150 points to Alex in the Newbie Pack and Sweet Fifteen. He could easily pass Alex.

Our views differ because I have watched the competition for a bit longer, and because you see the Gold as perfection on a level, but I see it as just one step ahead of the competition. It only lasts while the player is active, because the current players can't beat the new ones (theoretically).
mike flips
313017
actually kris, a lot of the times today i think will hold for a long time. Right now there is a new wave of excellent play from myself, you, smalls, Cirenco, vega, pmd, and so on... The older generation of times has nearly been completely erased and now the level of play has significantly increased. The golds are no longer just a step ahead, but rather huge milestones that are extremely difficult to accomplish.

The reason we need something implemented can be shown by the following example. Lets say i make a new player. I am confident that within a week i could break the top 10 ranking because i am pretty good at all the levels. However, loook at you and smalls, i would take a week to nearly catch up to where you are. Yet, you guys have spent much much longer than that. What you have to show for it is your medals and your many rankings in the top 10 of levels. If i were to try and match your medals and those sorts of accomplishments, it would take me months, not weeks. That is because it is significantly harder to get the golds. Why is it fair that with no effort i could catch up to people who have played excellently for over a year? There has to be something in place such as bonus points to give recognition to those hard hours of work you have spent on specific levels improving them and recieving medals.
Kristopher
91118
Actually, it took me less time to reclaim Gold on Catapult Back than it would for me to beat any other record in the Summer Pack.
mike flips
313017
We are "generally speaking" here!!!!!

Im sure i could break the top 10 in a week because i know the levels very well. Then whats different between me and you Kris??? U have some medals and i dont?? we still are ranked the same if i do that.
Kristopher
91118
I think it would be easier to get some medals than to get somewhat good times on all of the levels.

If your new player got in the top ten without getting medals, then this new player would have more potential and could easily pass me. So the medal bonuses would give him a disadvantage, when he should actually be given an advantage, because he has more potential in the Time Trial.
Ibanez
I don't see a solution coming that is going to please everyone, there are too many perfectly valid points of view.

I think there is a case for a moderate bonus for ranks 1-10, as in most real sports. I see the Golden Club representing a permanent record of an individual's achievements in their bod career - I see a case for including Silver and Bronze in this too as per the country medal table as representing Gold only can be a bit exclusive.

As for the main HOF Sz may not even agree to make any bonus point changes, but if he is up for it then I see the only way forward is to come up with a shortlist of options which anyone can put forward and are then the candidates for a voting round. Just like Kris has done for the next level pack. Then may the best option win, as voted by the democratic masses.
Vega
141010
Good job Ibanez. Sz is game for it! But we still need the votes from several more people. I too believe the bonuses should be limited to top ten times.
Ibanez
So we have the 6 options presented by Vega, then two more variations from MikeFlips. Could these be the candidates? How about a closing date for any more options, then say a week further for final voting before the big tally up...
Vega
141010
Let's make the closing date Wednesday Jan 31. All votes should be in by that date. Also there is an option #7 suggested by Henoch. This one should be included. Although I don?t like the idea of 15 BP slots, the one with the most votes should be the winner Please see previous posts for all suggested options and read the commentary before voting
mike flips
313017
Ibanez, do you play guitar ?
Ibanez
Hey MikeF, well spotted - you can almost make me out in the reflection
bones
i think that everyone should post a first choice worth 2 votes and a second choice worth one vote so they should vote like this
1st choice henoch's method
2nd choice option 3


then on the 31st all votes stop at midnight in sz's time zone and he counts up votes then announces winning method and applies it sound good?
Shane
57
OK,same as Bones: Henoch's (was it option 7?) then option 3.
late night for Sz then
Vega
141010
great idea bones. that's crazy that you put that bcuz the 2 point 1 point thing is exactly what I was going to suggest
bones
all right sz can close at any time on that day.
Henoch
After reading Mike's explanation about type of player here, maybe my place is at number seven, an average player who play all the levels trying to get total race and improve his time bit by bit, and get no medal (only get it for 3 hours and disapear taken by Mike ) and very little of top ten places. As time goes by, my ability just raise a little bit and still cannot compare to the top tenners champion.

I see that the top tenners champion right now, have most of the top ten in many levels, you can check it out at Kris webpage in rank section. This is happen because they have become a very good player who has master a bod game. Just as Mike says that he can make a top ten in a week if he register as a new player today, because he has already become a master in this game. How long have you play bod Mike? I have played this for about 7 months, but my improvement still not very good. . I can only reach top 20 in five or six month. But i heard mike can reach top ten in three month. And i even see there are several new players like Bones, Laser, and Casey are very agresive. They can make a great improvement in a short time. Maybe they will be tough contender for the present top tenners in near future.

OK now speaking about the bonus point. Vega you are a great man with a great heart . Even you don't agree with 15 but you still put it on the voting option. I see there is not much player who interest to speak on the fourm, but if all of them speak and most of them was type 1 - 3 or 4 in Mike's explanation, they will choose 15 i guess, cmiiw. But for the good player, surely they will choose 10. But i'm not here to make some public opinion. I'm here to choose.
My first choice is option 7 and my second choice is option 6. We have to give the medalist (or the top timers) a bigger bonus because the time they spent for the medal just as Mike says , but not as big as Kris says 100000000

Regards
Henoch
mike flips
313017
Henoch, ive been playing for 10 months. I didnt play a year before submitting like Dk or Cirenco did.

I will vote later on this week.

Ibanez i play guitar we can start a band?
bones
to henoch,
thaks for the compliment and you are dfinetley better than average. you are 16th in the ttc that is above average.by a lot. also are you saying option 7 as yours correct?

to vega,
many people agree to the 15 because not everyone plays levels to perfection like you do. many of the people in ttc#11-30ish have multiple 11-15 times and could use a small boost to help them close in on the top ten causingbtter competition which is good. consider that if you could please(no disrespect meant)

to mike and ibanez,
need a bass player
Kristopher
91118
It looks like Henoch is improving at a speed similair to mine, but the competition is harder now, and I had a few months with the demo before starting here. Henoch could pass me in the Time Trial. He doesn't suspect it, but I wasn't sure if I could get in the top 10, either.
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