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Up to:  Biker's CafeThis should be a good place for all purpose talks, better than interleaving our discussions with "Time Trial Champions" comments.
Xuzz | Winter Pack!Its here! The fourteenth TTC levelpack, named Winter Pack, has arrived  ! Here is a listing in order of all the levels with previews. Download link is at the bottom. Sz can add this to the HoF one we get everything worked out and all is ready. Times gotten before the levelpack is official will be made to NOT count in the actual competition  .
Level Name: Ice Cave
Notes:
Created by bones, modified by Xuzz.
Gray is sticky.
This is around a 20 second level.
Preview:  Here!
Level Name: LaserTag
Notes:
Created by Laser, modified by mike flips.
The side metal ramps have sticky in the middle so you can make it up and down easier.
You can cablecar the platforms and collect the flags.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Everest
Notes:
BRAND NEW LEVEL by mike flips!
Each run should be easily reproducible, i.e. there is nothing that kills you for no reason.
Heavy use of portals, all invisible.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Fenway
Notes:
By PMD.
This level has almost made the HoF three times before this pack, I think it deserves HoF this time  .
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Claustrophobia
Notes:
Created by Cody, modified by Xuzz.
Smoothest level of the pack.
There are five flags that magically appear.
There is a portal to the left of the start (people often miss this).
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Haunted
Notes:
Created by Kris, modified a bit by mike flips, texturized by Xuzz.
There are many portals.
The ghosts are "italic pacman eaters ".
Easier than it used to be, as we have new iPhone players that want easier levels.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Bananas
Notes:
ALL NEW VERSION by PiNerd.
Slightly changed by Xuzz (new updraft to make it easier).
Fun, fast level.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Planet
Notes:
Created by Sz, modified and texturized by Xuzz.
Radial gravity.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Where am I?
Notes:
ALL NEW LEVEL by mike flips, end by Xuzz (with clouds stolen from PiNerd)!
Another level based off a song.
There are portals.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Icecap Run
Notes:
Created by PiNerd, edited by mike flips to make it slightly easier. I wonder if anyone will even notice the edits.
Mostly the same as before.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Artistic
Notes:
By someone I don't remember , texturized by Xuzz.
Laser, mike flips, Gus, _alex_, and more all like it.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Bounce That
Notes:
Created by Laser, edited by mike flips, texturized by Xuzz.
Much easier than before.
Preview: Here!
Level Name: The Climb
Notes:
By Mr.pickle., bombs to finish flags by Xuzz/mike flips.
MUCH better than before  .
Fun level!
Preview: Here!
Level Name: Inspired
Notes:
Created by Xuzz.
Will not show up right from the flash tool, so play it on the palm/iDevice.
One of Mike's favorite levels in the pack.
The Zodiac is purely decoration.
@Sz: Can you fix whatever the problem is with this level?
Preview: Here!
Levelpack Download (try it for yourself): http://xuzz.net/winter/BOD%20-%20Winter%20Pack.prc
For iPhone levelpack download type this into safari WITHOUT SPACES: bikeordie:install:http: //xuzz.net/winter.prc
@All: Please download and try this levelpack to make sure there are no stupid bugs or any other issues . After a week or so Sz should be able to add it to the HoF .
@Pickle: No, the finish flags are NOT being changed back into mines. |
mike flips
|  |  | This levelpack was made so that each and every level will be fun to play. Feel free to post your best times and comments here and if you find any bugs in any level dont hesitate to send a message to me or Xuzz and we will fix it before the official release.
Enjoy! |
| PMD
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|  | | Ibanez
|  | | I can't get up everest, I get the first flag on the right then can't get up onto the final climb - any tips?  |
| Shane
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|  | | Could be a cablecar job? |
| Ibanez
| | | Ahh, I didn't think of that - I'll give it a try.... |
| Ibanez
| | | Success - I've planted my flag. Cool level Mike... |
| Xuzz
| | | Shoot! My site seems to be down .
It should be back soon... |
| Mr.pickle.
|  | | Climb will be changed back, it is my level!
Cmr was going to be completly different, but bones argued that it was his,and therefore it ended up being done his way. The same WILL happen here.
The way Xuzz has changed it back makes it to easy. I want it to have a tricky ending. |
| Mr.pickle.
| | | Whats with the big "B"in fenway?
Everest doesent look that great,no offence mike,
huanted is a harder level than the climb....by far...
artistic I have played,it is a funish level,but I say for HOF it is crap..
Other than that, and after changing my level back, its a good pack. |
| BikerBrian
|  | | Hold the Presses! Wet blanket alert...
Let me start by saying that I was very excited this morning when I logged onto the BoD site while at Starbucks (using my iPod Touch) to learn that a new pack was available. I downloaded it onto my Palm and have been playing it for the past 3 hrs. Now that I have completed all levels, I will offer my comments.
1. Ice Cave - Somewhat unimpressive to me (sorry Bones). I don't understand why this would be in a HoF pack with so many other really nice levels out there. The middle section on the way up will not be "easy" for iPhone players.
2. LaserTag - cool level. It will take some time to learn where the flags are to get a fast time.
3. Everest - fun beginning, but has a learning curve. As much as I like this level, I would definitely not call it an easy level for new players. I predict that most new players (the ones that are giving bad comments at the app store) will get stuck at Lasertag and Everest.
4. Fenway - my favorite level in the pack.
5.Claustrophobia - this one is o.k I guess, but it doesn't inspire me to want to play it again. It took me 25 tries to beat it. My time is 1:48, since I was constantly zooming out to find the next flag.
6. Haunted - this level is horrible (sorry Kris ) I understand that the weird portals are what makes it haunted, but it was the opposite of fun for me.
7. Bananas - cool new version. The jump over the the 5th flag near the bomb is tricky, but I'm o.k. with this one.
8. Planet - nice use of gravity, but the ending is pretty hard. Xuzz/Mike, your argument for changing Pickle's level was that noone wants to play for a minute and then have a tricky ending. You need to revisit this one then. It will take the average player 45 secs to get the final drop (new players will take longer). The gravity down into the hole is really strong and it is hard to slow down.
9. Where am I? - interesting. I'm fine with this one.
10. Icecap Run - I gave this level lots of praise when PiNerd released it. However, I don't like the easy ending. I liked it better the way it was.
11. Artistic - fine with me.
12. Bounce That - fun, but definitely not easy.
13. The Climb - The ending was pretty easy. I beat this level in 10 tries. Of course, I've played varies verions of this over the past year.
14. Inspired - it took me 21 tries to beat it, but the move required to get to the upper right is hard.
General Comments:
As excited as I am to have a new pack, I'm not sure this one should be posted as is. I understand that the bigger the committee, the longer it takes to get something done, but I'm a bit offended by the tone that Xuzz/Mike have taken with this pack. I'm not necessarily defending Pickle here, but Xuzz has taken the position that he is the level god. I agree with PMD that Sz (or voting) should decide.
Now that said my peace, I will play this pack if it is released, I just don't anticipate having as much fun as I did with other packs (BF for example). Also, please don't bill this as an "easy pack for iPhone players". If you are looking for fun and somewhat easy levels for iPhone players, look no further than "20's Redeux"  20's ReDeux created by   Bg . This pack is FUN to play!
Either way, thanks Mike and Xuzz for getting the ball rolling. I'll keep playing it... maybe it will grow on me. You know I love you guys! . |
| Mr.pickle.
| | | I agree with what he(BB)said about
Ice cave,huanted,inspired.
planet I think is fine tho...,on icecap run pinerds version was better.
As you can see, there are alot of hard levels in this pack, mine is definatly NOT the hardest.
I also agree the way BB pot it that Xuzz has taken the position of GOD in this levelpack...
However I dissagree about sending both to sz and letting him pick, no offence to sz, but he isent that great of a player, he simply made the game. He will most likely just pick the easyest. Agian no offence to sz(I think you are awsome).
Lets make a comprimise xuzz, find an ending that has mines, but is easyer than mine(even tho it will take hard work to find an ending easyer than that one..its already pretty dang easy...but its gotta be harder than just a finish flag...thats boring..) |
| bones
|  | | my level (now winter cave i guess) is easy on the iphone Brian. i thought the same you thought at first but it really just takes maybe 30 or so tries and whola you are done.
for me the only level i dont like is claustrophobia. i played it when i hada palm and i wasn't a fan plain and simple. i will download it when i get home and play it and give more praise/criticsim then. |
| mike flips
| | | @ BB - if you go to the upper right hand flag on inspired first, then it is really easy to get. I am glad to hear that most levels you could beat within a small amount of tries.
For planet you are right, the ending is WAY too hard. We can fix this by making the curves a lot wider and longer so that you dont all of a sudden smash into a curve that is too small and are actually able to ride it out.
For icecap run - the original ending featured a free fall that would not have been possible for new players. And then getting to the finish flags would have been way to hard for even more experienced players to consistently achieve at a high speed. That is why it was modified. Also the original beginning was way too hard.
Bounce that: It is still very hard but it is 100x easier than the original version.
By easy levels we do not mean that they are easy to beat quickly. We mean that if they are played slowly and carefully, a newer player would be able to beat most of the levels and progress through the pack.
If you think the lasertag / everest combination is too hard, we can switch everest with fenway.
As for our tone, I do not want to have a level in a pack that I am part of that requires luck to complete it. That is why we changed the ending. Xuzz could not even beat the ending, and I could never beat it consistently even if I did the same move over and over. That is not to say that an alternative could be created, but Pickle said he is not changing anything. Therefore, given the choice of Pickle's version, or our version, there is absolutely no way that either of us were willing to submit Pickle's. However, we are certainly both open to a reasonable alternative if one is created. Unfortunately Pickle had more of a dichotomus way of thinking but now it seems like he is more willing to compromise so hopefully something can be worked out that pleases everyone.
@ Pickle - Have you actually played the levels? Your comments are very vague at some points and imply that you have never played the levels. Just wondering if you actually took the time to try them all before you made comments about how hard they are. As for the B in fenway... fenway park is one of the most famous baseball stadiums, where the Boston Red Sox (who have a logo that is the letter B in addition to other logos) played for nearly 100 years... |
| PiNerd
|  | | Xuzz is allowing me involvement and I am going to be tweaking the versions that Mike and Xuzz have made, and I will take into consideration the things posted here. |
| Mr.pickle.
| | | @Pinerd,Xuzz, is not "allowing" you to do anything, you have as much right as anyone else to do things. Mike and Xuzz do not run the world...
@mike, no I have not played them, due to hotsync quick instal not working right on vista....
However I have played the origenals of all but:
Where am I? and everest.
And From brians comment I can conclude(becuase he has [played them) that huanted is still to hard.
Pinerd, what exactly are you doing? Don't toutch anything on Climb accept for the ending, the rest of the level is perfect. (As far as I can tell anyway...nobody has complaned....the climbing part at the beggining is very fragile, moving something just barely at that point,can mess you up for hours trying to make it easy agian...) |
| mike flips
| | | I figured as much Pickle. You make comments like you have actually played these levels but you really have no idea what you are talking about. |
| Vega
|  | | 2 shiny red pennies from Vega -
This process is always fun... and always sure to be full of conflicting perspectives and opinions. That is all good and fine.
Honestly, I have always thought that although the tedious process that ensued for the creation of Old School and Next Gen was at times tiresome, it produced a fantastic result.
Yes I can see the obvious comments and remarks about my opinion on those packs being lopsided since I had a heavy hand in their design, but aside from that, it was the most agreed upon, most organized pack design yet.
It took a while... and that should be ok with all. What's the rush? I can't even keep up with the 71 levels I have submitted for.
My suggestion: Chill, and take the time to have the active players vote appropriately. On levels that win the popular vote, compile into a pack, fix any bugs, look for bad shortcuts (level ruining shortcuts, that is), and organize intelligently for the final pack version. I see some of this going here, but I also see a lot of short term thinking with respect to the level makers.
Remember everybody... once it's in the HoF, it's in for good. So don't rush it. I think an appropriate nomination/voting system is a great idea.
Kris... Can you make one for this pack?
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| Mr.pickle.
| | | Thank you vega, your opinions are always valued
Mike, as I said I have played the origenals, of all but 2. Huanted acording to BB is still pretty bad..
I can't download it, I have sat here and wrestled with my computer for the past 45 minets trying too.
I know what I am talking about..
I said everest dident LOOK good, I said nothing about the way it played,tho in that case I really should talk considering I have one of the most boring looking levels in the list
artistic as I said I have played,and all Xuzz did was texturise it, I can in fact say for HOF that level is a piece of crap...
Planet I like the origenal, my vote is leave it as it is.
icecap run,i have not played the re-do, but from BB comment, and considering me and BB seem to have simular opinions as far as taste in levels go(so far anyway)I can conclude that I PROBABLY wouldent like it either, considering I usally like levels to be hard. Making it easyer often just makes my liking of the level go down.
As you can see mike, none of my comments implied that I had played them..and what I did say, I knew what I was talking about.
Breif summary:
I said your level dident LOOK good,I have played artistic,planet I simply like it the way it is, and finally icecap run is the only one that I may have not completly known what I was talking about.
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| Mr.pickle.
| | | Also I agree that kris should make a level,krises levels are always good |
| Ibanez
| | | Sz just made the game! Pickle, I do sometimes wonder what planet you are on - the ability to make cool levels is not related to being the best player. I have always thought Sz's levels are amongst the best, if not the best - just look at Std, NewDeal and Supernatural. Vega's movie levels are a whole new level of greatness of course. You are getting way too protective of a non descript updraft tube, however I also do not like the endless tweaking for a 'perfect' level. I would prefer a surprise level pack unleashed on everyone at the same time. |
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